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RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[TIP 2019 table 1 w- Kim Youngsam 8d ; b- Vazquez Oscar 5d]PW[Kim Youngsam]PB[Vazquez Oscar]WR[8d]BR[5d]DT[2019-04-22]EV[International tournament of Paris]RO[Round 5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Arthur Touchard]C[HisokaH [4d?\]: Hello
FFGScribe [-\]: Hi !
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;B[dd]
;W[pp]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qn]
;W[cf]
;B[nq]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[no]
;B[pq]
;W[mq]
;B[oq]
;W[lp]
;B[qp]
;W[mo]
;B[ch]
;W[ef]
;B[ck]
;W[fd]
;B[cn]
;W[dk]
;B[cq]C[Gonzalate [5d?\]: saluut
FFGScribe [-\]: Salut !
tuquedenne [3d\]: Qui a gagné le tournoi de blitz ?
Gonzalate [5d?\]: tanguy
Gonzalate [5d?\]: 2e florent 
tuquedenne [3d\]: ok
Lacan [1d\]: 2 space jumps are the building blocks of the universe
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;W[cl]
;B[bl]
;W[cj]
;B[bk]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]C[Gonzalate [5d?\]: ça s'annonce beaucoup de points pour blanc et des pleurs pour noir
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;B[co]
;W[cc]C[Lacan [1d\]: without suffering pleasure is empty
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;B[hp]
;W[cr]
;B[br]
;W[er]
;B[cs]
;W[nc]C[Gonzalate [5d?\]: moralement le mépris d blanc pour h4 c'est...
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;B[lc]
;W[ne]
;B[ic]
;W[pb]C[FFGScribe [-\]: At first, White wanted to play Q14
FFGScribe [-\]: But changed is mind while putting the stone
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;B[qf]
;W[qc]C[FFGScribe [-\]: *his
Shamash [?\]: alors comme ça Oscar a battu tanguy ?! =/
sloth [4d\]: sometimes it's very hard to decide where to play when everything wins
tuquedenne [3d\]: si noir joue un coup sur le bord est, genre q11, comment continue blanc ?
tuquedenne [3d\]: juste g17 ?
sloth [4d\]: h4 is probably gonna die of lonelyness soon
FFGScribe [-\]: You can consult results here : http://tournoi-de-paris.jeudego.org/resultats-2019/
FFGScribe [-\]: As for round 5 pairing, this is the link : http://tournoi-de-paris.jeudego.org/tp2019-round/
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;B[hn]
;W[em]
;B[dj]
;W[ek]
;B[di]C[Gonzalate [5d?\]: so we'll get to see who's better at saving dead groups - Oscar or Dai :D
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;W[hl]
;B[fq]
;W[fr]C[FFGScribe [-\]: white : 1h17 ; black : 0h50
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;B[gr]
;W[jq]C[tuquedenne [3d\]: intéressant ce tournoi de tsumego pour kim
Shamash [?\]: mdr grave
Shamash [?\]: il est coréen en même temps
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;B[jm]
;W[jk]
;B[iq]
;W[jp]
;B[fo]
;W[eo]
;B[fn]C[nzxt69 [-\]: C'est faux Shamash, les coréens ne mangent jamais :o
xDragon [?\]: B tenukied on top a lot it seems like but I don't see the compensation on the bottom
hotfridge [1k\]: i didnt see any tenuki.
hotfridge [1k\]: what are you talking about?
Jakobicek [-\]: the top left corner
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;W[fm]C[xDragon [?\]: And top right to a smaller extent
sloth [4d\]: he was trying to break the flow, without success. the position after n5 is comfortable for white
Jakobicek [-\]: to be fair it might be a reasonable strategy considering the difference in rank
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;B[jr]C[Jakobicek [-\]: you are not going to beat a player three stones stronger in a "normal" game, you probably need to rely on a lot of chaos on the board
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;W[kr]
;B[ir]C[Shamash [?\]: more chaos = more chance for the stronger player because he reads better and fight better
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;W[hb]C[hotfridge [1k\]: assumptions will do no good
Shamash [?\]: avoinding "normal" games because the opponent is stronger is assumption too =)
Jakobicek [-\]: h18 feels like declaration of victory
sloth [4d\]: g17 is a declaration of victory
sloth [4d\]: h18 has more aji
Jakobicek [-\]: i see
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;B[cd]
;W[dc]C[Jakobicek [-\]: for my very simple eyes it seems that if white can afford to leave the bottom as is without suffering any major damage, things are not going well for black
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;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[be]
;W[ac]C[sloth [4d\]: h18 is a bit misplaced now
sloth [4d\]: if black can save d16 ..
Jakobicek [-\]: i checked with the machine... machine wanted g17 instead of h18
sloth [4d\]: it's still a good game for white, because black got too many problems
U [-\]: youngsam doesnt want to back off and g17 feels too slow to a high dan probably
sloth [4d\]: 2 weak groups on the top, and j6 might be a big cut in the endgame 
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;B[ad]
;W[bd]C[U [-\]: so when did b mess up. i feel like he played a slow move or two on left
U [-\]: and w got nice attack on that group
sloth [4d\]: it's a good opening for white
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;B[oc]C[U [-\]: bottom right felt ok for both to me, maybe c9 was off
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;W[od]
;B[bc]C[sloth [4d\]: c9 was already a move out of desparation
U [-\]: youre talking like move 19, the game cant be bad for b at that point
FFGScribe [-\]: white : 1h03 ; black : 0h29
sloth [4d\]: it is.
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;W[qq]C[U [-\]: i disagree heavily
Shamash [?\]: aji is on
Jakobicek [-\]: well for what it is worth the lizzie says that c9 lost about 5 percent
Jakobicek [-\]: and the game was about even at that point
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;B[ab]
;W[rp]C[Jakobicek [-\]: why is the opening preferable for white in your opinion?
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;B[qr]C[sloth [4d\]: too easy for white to find good moves
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;W[qo]C[U [-\]: i mean its one thing to say you prefer one side or another, but hes saying that its a lost game for b by move 20?
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;B[rq]
;W[fp]C[U [-\]: thats jut incorrect
sloth [4d\]: white has this ponnuki facing a white stone, black can play 4 moves in a row against this ponnuki and it's still a strgon group
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;B[gq]C[Jakobicek [-\]: i see yes that looks veryharmonious
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;W[qh]
;B[qp]
;W[io]C[FFGScribe [-\]: White hit this stone with a crushing sound
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;B[ho]
;W[qq]C[Jakobicek [-\]: does black have any hope now? what would be your strategy as black now sloth and U?
Dream [3d\]: put something in w's coffee
sloth [4d\]: resign and rest for the last round
Dream [3d\]: b has 4 weak groups
FFGScribe [-\]: white doesn't have a coffee
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;B[qj]C[Dream [3d\]: then all is lost
sloth [4d\]: black has a bit more than 30 points in total
U [-\]: b just doesnt have points. he gotta find a place to fight but theres not really any
sloth [4d\]: white either gets the 3 stones in the top right or the right side. both way more than 30 points
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;W[pi]
;B[qp]
;W[po]C[FFGScribe [-\]: white : 0h59 ; black : 0h19
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;B[pj]
;W[qq]C[Jakobicek [-\]: if you are facing a significantly stronger player in a tournament game, what strategy do you use? All out fighting or a calm game?
sloth [4d\]: play what you understand the best
Dream [3d\]: that depends on the opponent
Knodakip [?\]: Play for fun, nobody expects you to win, not even you
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;B[of]
;W[ni]C[Jakobicek [-\]: I see Dream and sloth you have a completely different view of the matter, very interesting. Do you guys have any good stories where you caused an upset or where you lost to a significantly weaker player?
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;B[oj]
;W[oi]C[sloth [4d\]: i am very skilled at not being able to focus against weaker opponents ...
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;B[nf]C[RudeBoy [5k\]: Yes, they wrote a novel about it, it was a best seller
tripper [1k\]: I guess Oscar Vazquez will be pro at some point.
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;W[mf]C[Dream [3d\]: I don't think it is good practice to dwell on past victories or defeats alike
Jakobicek [-\]: how old is oscar? 15?
tripper [1k\]: i think 15, yes
yuki [4d\]: 16 i believe
yuki [4d\]: he will be 16 this year at least
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;B[rf]C[Jakobicek [-\]: how much time do you beleive that europe needs so that our elite players can match the likes of kim youngsam? 
Dream [3d\]: b is trying to live everywhere
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;W[pg]C[Dream [3d\]: that is already happening jakobicek
sloth [4d\]: depends on how long it takes to find sponsors so people can study fulltime for years
sloth [4d\]: getting to top ama/pro level requires a huge time commitment
liusasori [4d\]: European pro likes Surma, Lisy, Kachanovsky and Shikshin are already a good match for them
U [-\]: not really though
U [-\]: their winrate is still like 80-90%
liusasori [4d\]: Shikshin defeated four active middle-strengh chinese pro in a row recently
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;B[mg]
;W[pf]C[U [-\]: yeah though it doesnt change that
Jakobicek [-\]: youngsam is probably stronger than many mid level pros right?
liusasori [4d\]: of course maybe the average level of active chinese pro might still be inferior to those korean level
liusasori [4d\]: but still, now those korean have to care when playing european pro
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;B[oe]
;W[nd]
;B[pe]
;W[lf]C[Jakobicek [-\]: i mean miracles can happen, i know that aguillar once beat two japanese 9Ps in a row
liusasori [4d\]: and also Yougsam and co migh alos be stronger than average korean pro
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;B[lg]
;W[kf]
;B[kg]
;W[jf]C[Jakobicek [-\]: i am surprised that youngsam never made it to pro level? Do you know if he had bad luck in the qualification tournaments?
liusasori [4d\]: artem did beat 4 japanese pro in a row a few years ago and Mateusz also had 4 victories in a row against pro and chinese top ama
U [-\]: i did check matchup, ilya is 1-2 against youngsam, surma is 1-3
Dream [3d\]: it matters when the wins happened
liusasori [4d\]: it's not one random event, all european pro start to get victories against asian pro
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;B[jg]
;W[nj]C[U [-\]: they havent gotten that much stronger as to be an even match with youngsam or seongjin
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;B[if]
;W[ld]C[fhfhfafr: Makes me wonder sometimes how an ama can be consistently stronger than middling pros
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;B[kd]
;W[pc]C[Jakobicek [-\]: well there were chess amateurs in the past who were at super gm level
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;B[hg]
;W[hc]C[sloth [4d\]: the "average pro" is someone who won the title by luck (or vitamin C), then loses to most other pros so they stop studing Go and get a job
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;B[id]
;W[ih]
;B[ig]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[fhfhfafr: I see, TIL
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;W[cb]
;B[nk]
;W[ri]C[Jakobicek [-\]: well to be fair youngsam is not really amateur in the traditional sense of the word, after all he does make a living out of go, right? As do many other top amateurs
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;B[nh]
;W[mk]
;B[ml]
;W[nl]
;B[ok]
;W[lj]
;B[lk]
;W[mj]
;B[nm]
;W[ll]
;B[ol]
;W[lm]C[Dream [3d\]: w is somewhat playing it very safe here
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;B[rj]C[fhfhfafr: Yes, but the go world has its own concept of professional, and so I went with that concept as the topic instead of the general professional meaning
tripper [1k\]: complex game
Jakobicek [-\]: fhfhfafr: sure
Uberdude [5d\]: Youngsam wasn't even in the top group of insei in korea
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;W[sq]C[Uberdude [5d\]: one of the other teachers in BIBA was
FFGScribe [-\]: Black has just entered byo-yomi : 15 stones/5 min
Uberdude [5d\]: I remember I lost a 6 stone blitz game to him
Uberdude [5d\]: whereas I beat on sojin 7p on 6h
FFGScribe [-\]: White has 52 minuts left
fhfhfafr: Eh, with blitz games, the stronger ones tend to have the better edge
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;B[mr]
;W[lr]
;B[ms]C[fhfhfafr: I assume the game with the 7p was a regular game?
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;W[ed]C[Uberdude [5d\]: both 10sec blitz
fhfhfafr: Oh wow
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;B[bf]C[fhfhfafr: Koreans inseis are scary
Uberdude [5d\]: yes, and there's a lot of them
Jakobicek [-\]: I am surprised that black managed to save everything
Dream [3d\]: not clear yet
Jakobicek [-\]: does white have enough points even if everything lives?
fhfhfafr: I wouldn't say right lives yet...
tripper [1k\]: j17 uncertain still
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;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[or]C[sloth [4d\]: p2 is ko,
sloth [4d\]: s6 sente against the other group
Uberdude [5d\]: was s10 better than s6?
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;B[os]
;W[ps]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[rr]
;W[sr]
;B[os]
;W[rn]C[FFGScribe [-\]: Black resigned
Dream [3d\]: ty scribe
fhfhfafr: Thanks FFGScribe!
FFGScribe [-\]: :)
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